Onore ai giornalisti come l’israeliano Gideon Levy! Anziché il volgare provincialismo degli scontri Santoro-Annunziata, a quando anche in Italia un dibattito in tv come quello andato in onda negli Usa e che posto oggi interamente tradotto nel blog?

Last update – 09:35 18/01/2009

Gideon Levy / An open response to A.B. Yehoshua

By Gideon Levy

Dear Bulli,

Thank you for your frank letter and kind words. You wrote it was written from a “position of respect,” and I, too, deeply respect your wonderful literary works. But, unfortunately, I have a lot less respect for your current political position. It is as if the mighty, including you, have succumbed to a great and terrible conflagration that has consumed any remnant of a moral backbone.

You, too, esteemed author, have fallen prey to the wretched wave that has inundated, stupefied, blinded and brainwashed us. You’re actually justifying the most brutal war Israel has ever fought and in so doing are complacent in the fraud that the “occupation of Gaza is over” and justifying mass killings by evoking the alibi that Hamas “deliberately mingles between its fighters and the civilian population.” You are judging a helpless people denied a government and army – which includes a fundamentalist movement using improper means to fight for a just cause, namely the end of the occupation – in the same way you judge a regional power, which considers itself humanitarian and democratic but which has shown itself to be a brutal and cruel conqueror. As an Israeli, I cannot admonish their leaders while our hands are covered in blood, nor do I want to judge Israel and the Palestinians the same way you have.

The residents of Gaza have never had ownership of “their own piece of land,” as you have claimed. We left Gaza because of our own interests and needs, and then we imprisoned them. We cut the territory off from the rest of the world and the occupied West Bank, and did not permit them to construct an air or sea port. We control their population registrar and their currency – and having their own military is out of the question – and then you argue that the occupation is over? We have crushed their livelihood, besieged them for two years, and you claim they “have expelled the Israeli occupation”? The occupation of Gaza has simply taken on a new form: a fence instead of settlements. The jailers stand guard on the outside instead of the inside.

And no, I do not know “very well,” as you wrote, that we don’t mean to kill children. When one employs tanks, artillery and planes in such a densely populated place one cannot avoid killing children. I understand that Israeli propaganda has cleared your conscience, but it has not cleared mine or that of most of the world. Outcomes, not intentions, are what count – and those have been horrendous. “If you were truly concerned about the death of our children and theirs,” you wrote, “you would understand the present war.” Even in the worst of your literary passages, and there have been few of those, you could not conjure up a more crooked moral argument: that the criminal killing of children is done out of concern for their fates. “There he goes again, writing about children,” you must have told yourself this weekend when I again wrote about the killing of children. Yes, it must be written. It must be shouted out. It is done for both our sakes.

This war is in your opinion “the only way to induce Hamas to understand.” Even if we ignore the condescending tone of your remark, I would have expected more of a writer. I would have expected a renowned writer to be familiar with the history of national uprisings: They cannot be put down forcibly. Despite all the destructive force we used in this war, I still can’t see how the Palestinians have been influenced; Qassams are still being launched into Israel. They and the world have clearly taken away something else from the last few weeks – that Israel is a dangerous and violent country that lacks scruples. Do you wish to live in a country with such a reputation? A country that proudly announces it has gone “crazy,” as some Israeli ministers have said in regard to the army’s operation in Gaza? I don’t.

You wrote you have always been worried for me because I travel to “such hostile places.” These places are less hostile than you think if one goes there armed with nothing but the will to listen. I did not go there to “tell the story of the afflictions of the other side,” but to report on our own doings. This has always been the very Israeli basis for my work.

Finally, you ask me to preserve my “moral validity.” It isn’t my image I wish to protect but that of the country, which is equally dear to us both.

In friendship, despite everything

Last update – 02:45 11/01/2009

Gideon Levy / My hero of the Gaza war

By Gideon Levy

My war hero likes to eat at Acre’s famed Uri Burri restaurant. He thinks it’s the best fish restaurant in the world, and told me as much yesterday from the porch of the central Gaza City office building from which he has broadcast every day for the past two weeks, noon and night, almost without rest.

My war hero is Ayman Mohyeldin, the young correspondent for Al Jazeera English and the only foreign correspondent broadcasting during these awful days in a Gaza Strip closed off to the media. Al Jazeera English is not what you might think. It offers balanced, professional reporting from correspondents both in Sderot and Gaza. And Mohyeldin is the cherry on top of this journalistic cream. I wouldn’t have needed him or his broadcasts if not for the Israeli stations’ blackout of the fighting. Since discovering this wunderkind from America (his mother is from the West Bank city of Tul Karm and his father from Egypt), I have stopped frantically changing TV stations.

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Whoever recoils from the grotesque coverage by Channel 2’s Roni Daniel is invited to tune in to this wise and considered broadcaster. Whoever recoils from our heroic tales, bias, whitewashed words, Rorschach images of bombing, IDF Spokesman-distributed photographs, propagandists’ excuses, self-satisfied generals and half-truths is invited to tune in. Whoever wants to know what is really happening, not only of a postponed wedding in Sderot and a cat forgotten in Ashkelon. Watching is sometimes hard, bloodcurdlingly hard, but reality is no less hard right now.

I have followed him throughout the war. Sporting a helmet and protective vest, and sometimes a Lacoste jacket, he stands on the roof, broadcasting in the most restrained tones, never getting excited or using flowery adjectives to describe what we’re inflicting on Gaza, even when planes fly over him and bomb a house in the distance. Sometimes he crouches during a blast, his eyes perpetually glazed from fatigue, his face sometimes betraying helplessness.

At age 29, he has already seen one war, in Iraq, but he says this war is more intense. He is frustrated that his broadcasts are carried virtually everywhere in the world except the United States, his own country, the place he thinks it is most important that these images from Gaza be seen.

“At the end of the day, if there is one country that can have influence, it’s the United States. It’s frustrating to know you’re not reaching the viewers you would like to,” he told me this week from the roof. On Friday he finally came down, for safety’s sake, after the Israel Defense Forces bombed a neighboring media center.

Is he afraid? “I’d be lying if I said I don’t feel fear, but my obligation is greater than the fear,” he says.

Nor does he have a single bad word to say about Israel. He says he would gladly return to visit – after all, he’s got friends here. We even set a dinner date at his favorite restaurant, for 6 P.M. after the war.

The IDF has no mercy for the children in Gaza nursery schools

By Gideon Levy, Haaretz Correspondent

Tags: Hamas, IDF, Israel, Gaza

The fighting in Gaza is “war deluxe.” Compared with previous wars, it is child’s play – pilots bombing unimpeded as if on practice runs, tank and artillery soldiers shelling houses and civilians from their armored vehicles, combat engineering troops destroying entire streets in their ominous protected vehicles without facing serious opposition. A large, broad army is fighting against a helpless population and a weak, ragged organization that has fled the conflict zones and is barely putting up a fight. All this must be said openly, before we begin exulting in our heroism and victory.

This war is also child’s play because of its victims. About a third of those killed in Gaza have been children – 311, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry, 270 according to the B’Tselem human rights group – out of the 1,000 total killed as of Wednesday. Around 1,550 of the 4,500 wounded have also been children according to figures from the UN, which says the number of children killed has tripled since the ground operation began.

This is too large a proportion by any humanitarian or ethical standard.
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It is enough to look at the pictures coming from Shifa Hospital to see how many burned, bleeding and dying children now lie there. History has seen innumerable brutal wars take countless lives.

But the horrifying proportion of this war, a third of the dead being children, has not been seen in recent memory.

God does not show mercy on the children at Gaza’s nursery schools, and neither does the Israel Defense Forces. That’s how it goes when war is waged in such a densely populated area with a population so blessed with children. About half of Gaza’s residents are under 15.

No pilot or soldier went to war to kill children. Not one among them intended to kill children, but it also seems neither did they intend not to kill them. They went to war after the IDF had already killed 952 Palestinian children and adolescents since May 2000.

The public’s shocking indifference to these figures is incomprehensible. A thousand propagandists and apologists cannot excuse this criminal killing. One can blame Hamas for the death of children, but no reasonable person in the world will buy these ludicrous, flawed propagandistic goods in light of the pictures and statistics coming from Gaza.

One can say Hamas hides among the civilian population, as if the Defense Ministry in Tel Aviv is not located in the heart of a civilian population, as if there are places in Gaza that are not in the heart of a civilian population. One can also claim that Hamas uses children as human shields, as if in the past our own organizations fighting to establish a country did not recruit children.

A significant majority of the children killed in Gaza did not die because they were used as human shields or because they worked for Hamas. They were killed because the IDF bombed, shelled or fired at them, their families or their apartment buildings. That is why the blood of Gaza’s children is on our hands, not on Hamas’ hands, and we will never be able to escape that responsibility.

The children of Gaza who survive this war will remember it. It is enough to watch Nazareth-born Juliano Mer Khamis’ wonderful movie “Arna’s Children” to understand what thrives amid the blood and ruin we are leaving behind. The film shows the children of Jenin – who have seen less horror than those of Gaza – growing up to be fighters and suicide bombers.

A child who has seen his house destroyed, his brother killed and his father humiliated will not forgive.

The last time I was allowed to visit Gaza, in November 2006, I went to the Indira Gandhi nursery school in Beit Lahia. The schoolchildren drew what they had seen the previous day: an IDF missile striking their school bus, killing their teacher, Najwa Halif, in front of their eyes. They were in shock. It is possible some of them have now been killed or wounded themselves.

Tutt’oggi i razzi ancora piovono su Israele, ci dovrebbe essere un cessa fuoco
@ Anita

Gia’, ma su Gaza oggi sono piovute di nuovo “solo” bombe al fosforo bianco.
Allora, chi e’ che non rispetta veramente la tregua?
Intanto, i razzi (quattro: per essere una “pioggia”, non le sembrano un po’ pochini?) non hanno ucciso ne’ ferito nessuno, il fosforo ha causato altre vittime, come se le precedenti fossero poche.

E quell’ “innocente” post su Netanyahu, come dice lei, senza suoi commenti. Come a dire, senza un suo consenso. Ma allora perche’ lo ha postato?
Cara Anita, mi sa che sotto sotto lei tifi Israele. Cosa che, del resto, non mi sorprende per molti motivi. Uno dei quali e’ che lei non si distacca mai di un solo millimetro dalle posizioni ufficiali del governo Bush, coperto di sangue innocente – americano e straniero – dalla testa ai piedi, non meno di quello israeliano.
Lei e’ una donna di ferro.

per Giovani Falco
Quella del 97% dei Territori Occupati era una gran bufala.
Per incominciare le carte presentate dagli issraeliani comprendevano il controllo sul 42% del territorio della Cisgiordania (una striscia lungo il Giordano e tre corridoi di accesso), il totale controllo delle frontiere ma soprattutto la proprietà di TUTTE le sergenti della Cisgiordania. Arafat ha rifiutato, ovviamente, perchè quello era solo un modo per farli morire lentamente di sete. Proprio come ora. U.

per Vox
io ho iniziato da tempo a non comperare più nessun prodotto issraeliano (salvo Intel, per ovvie ragioni).
L’altro giorno avevo preso della frutta ma quando ne ho visto l’origine l’ho riposta sul bancone.
Prodotti issraeliani e benzina usaegetta sono fuori dalla mia vita da molto tempo. U.

Caro Uro, al di là delle divergenze di vedute, mi è evidente principalmente una serie di riflessioni: gli Israeliani in questo momento si sono bevuti il cervello, agiscono come mosche impazzite, hanno perso il bandolo della matassa, si danno in continuazione la zappa sui piedi. Sono cascati in pieno nella rete di Hamas. Sempre stando a ciò che appare.
Mai dimenticare che quel che ci è dato vedere è solo ‘ciò che appare’, non ‘ciò che è’. Le rivelazioni verranno in seguito, molto più in là. Forse.
Esisteranno certamente retroscena che noi non conosciamo, come è successo per la strage di Bologna ( ora è venuto fuori che non di estremisti neri si trattava, ma di un incidente ad una valigia di esplosivi trasportata da un palestinese. Propaganda anche questa?) e come è successo con le rivelazioni-choc di Cossiga.
Sta di fatto che, sia nella stampa in lingua inglese che in lingua francese, nessuno ha posto interrogativi ma si sono tutti limitati a raccontare ciò che stava accadendo. O nessuno in realtà ci sta capendo niente, o tutti si tengono defilati per timore di fare magre figure. Posssibile che siano tutti condizionati da Israele?

X M.T.16
Bisogna insistere non solo sul boicottaggio ma anche sull’aprire per una buona volta gli occhi SENZA GIUSTIFICARE atrocità senza senso come si è verificato in questi ultimi giorni sulla striscia di Gaza ed ammettere che purtroppo non sono le uniche sulle quali chiudiamo un occhio o meglio tutti e due.
L.

Hamas, avendo vinto le elezioni (e non abbiamo bisogno di addentrarci nei dettagli) come risultato di una gara tra Hamas e Fatah su chi sia il leader, Hamas ha preso il controllo di Gaza con la forza, in effetti con un colpo di stato contro l’Autorita’ Palestinese.
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Questo dice Indyk.
Credere a lui ( e ad altri che hanno affermato la stessa cosa) o credere a libere e corrette elezioni, come ho già letto da qualche parte?
Quanto è attendibile Indyk?

Per Uro, mi chiamo Pietro non Giovanni…

posto un articolo di Haaretz di Aluf Benn che credo significativo sui “crimini di guerra compiuiti a Gaza”. Pino ha detto che è meglio se li traduco, per facilitarne la comprensione: ma purtroppo ho fretta, devo andare a lavorare… Oggi conferenza stampa con l’ambasciatore russo… Chiedo aiuto a Vox che ha grande facilità con l’inglese (magari anche per i post precedenti di Giideon Levy)

Israel fears wave of war crimes lawsuits over Gaza offensive

By Aluf Benn

Israel is preparing for a wave of lawsuits by pro-Palestinian organizations overseas against Israelis involved in the Gaza fighting, claiming they were responsible for war crimes due to the harsh results stemming from the IDF’s actions against Palestinian civilians and their property.

Senior Israeli ministers have expressed serious fears during the past few days about the possibility that Israel will be pressed to agree to an international investigation of the losses among non-combatants during Operation Cast Lead; or alternately, that Israelis will be faced with personal suits, such as happened to Israeli officers who were accused of war crimes in Britain for their actions during the second intifada.

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When the scale of the damage in Gaza becomes clear, I will no longer take a vacation in Amsterdam, only at the international court in The Hague,” said one minister. It was not clear whether he was trying to make a joke or not.

Another minister said that in contrast to the situation that existed following Operation Defensive Shield in the West Bank seven years ago, this time attacked by Israel is under total Palestinian control. Hence, foreign journalists who enter the Gaza Strip to report on the aftermath of Operation Cast Lead will not be accompanied by Israeli officials or spokesmen, as they were in the West Bank in 2002.

The defense establishment has started to collect material in advance of the expected legal claims, and has prepared its defense regarding the private houses the Israel Defense Forces attacked in Gaza. The evidence includes material about where weapons were stockpiled, and sites from which Hamas was firing rockets. Social Affairs Minister Isaac Herzog (Labor), who is coordinating the humanitarian aid to Gaza, will also coordinate Israel’s public relations efforts against the accusations of war crimes.

The main danger is expected to come from lawsuits brought by individuals and organizations, rather than governmental attempts to undertake official investigations. Senior officials expect that the visits of European leaders in Jerusalem this week, and statements by them that presented Israel’s offensive as part of a justified war on terror, will aid Israel in future legal battles.

Israel will emphasize that it acted in self-defense in Gaza and expended great efforts in warning residents that their homes were about to be targeted and ordering them to vacate them. Israel used text messages, dropped flyers from the air and made a quarter of a million telephone calls to warn Gaza residents, as well as taking over and broadcasting warnings on Palestinian radio stations. Its defense will also provide evidence of how Hamas turned houses, schools, mosques and welfare institutions into weapons warehouses and booby-trapped them, explaining that they were attacked because they were legitimate military targets.

per Giovanni Falco
sono stato un po’ troppo sintetico.
L’area rivendicata dagli issraeliani comprendeva la striscia lungo il Giordano e tre corridoi, tutti larghi una decina di miglia.
Ma intorno a queste aree direttamente annesse ad Issraele e quindi SENZA palestinesi c’era un’area di rispetto che rimaneva sotto il controllo dell’autorità MILITARE issraeliana.
I palestinesi hanno detto che in tal modo il 42% del loro territorio sarebbe stato sotto il controllo di Issraele. Chi ha altre notizie le porti.
Inoltre le frontiere sarebbero state tutte sotto controllo issraeliano e le sorgenti d’acqua sarebbero state tutte di proprietà issraeliana.
Nella migliore delle ipotesi il territorio palestinese sarebbe stata una riserva indiana, nella peggiore un bantustan ai tempi dell’apartheid.
Naturalmente comparando un po’ si sarebbe potuto realizzare il paradiso in terra. D’altra parte è quel che dice l’Anita che gli indiani sono ultra-ricchissimi….. Per quel che se ne sa sono dei poveri alcolizzati ma lasciamo perdere, si sa che l’Anita a volte sogna ad occhi aperti. U.

ps
per Vox

trovo clamorosamente interessante il resoconto della trasmissione della Tv Usa con Indyk e Finkelstein che hai offerto al blog… è la dimostrazione definitiva di un sospetto che covavo da tempo e non solo…

Norman Finkelstein è figlio di sopravissuti dell’Olocausto ed autore di opere come “Immagine e realtà del conflitto palestinese” (Akal2003), e “L’industria dell’olocausto: riflessioni sullo sfruttamento della sofferenza ebraica “(Secolo XXI della Spagna 2002.) La sua pagina web è http://www.NormanFinkelstein.com.

Titolo originale: “Los hechos acerca de Hamas y la guerra contra Gaza”

Fonte: http://www.rebelion.org
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13.01.2009

per Uro: sono Pietro non Giovanni!!!!

Pietro, forse Uro ha in mente Giovanni Falcone ed istintivamente FALCOne diventa Giovanni. Capita.

A proposito dei confini (sempre da Haaretz): pare non sia così peregrina l’ipotesi di un accordo di pace su quelli pre 19687 “con qualche aggiustamento”… Il processo per crimini di guerra, in questo caso, potrebbe rivelarsi un arma di pressione nell’economai complessiva: come dice Sinclair, dopo il batone, ci vuole la carita

a stasera

OPINION / Israel is good at using sticks, but its carrot approach needs work

By Alex Sinclair

During its three-week offensive on Hamas, Israel has used a great big stick on the Palestinians of Gaza. Most Israelis, myself included, have supported our right to use that stick, pained as we are at the suffering we have inflicted on many innocent Palestinians.

But when the core narrative of the situation was “We got out of Gaza; you continued to attack us” – which, despite Israel’s continued blockades and targeted assassinations, remains the basic truth of the Gaza story over the past 3 years – then we were justified in taking action to prevent these attacks.

Israel is very good at using sticks. It’s the carrots where we mess up.

It’s just no good continually beating up the Palestinians. Yes, they were in the wrong. Yes, they elected an evil and disgraceful leadership. Yes, they once more didn’t miss the opportunity to miss the opportunity. Yes, this war is justified. Yes, yes, and yes.

But killing lots of Palestinians is not going to magically turn them into Zionists. When the war is over, they will still be there. Our neighbors. We will still need to live next door to them. We will still need to come to a modus vivendi.

There will never be a way out of this conflict until we offer the Palestinians some carrots: hope and belief. The sheer despair and hopelessness of many well-meaning Palestinians, in both Gaza and the West Bank, bodes ill for anyone who cares about Middle East peace. They just don?t believe it?s possible any more.

Here are some carrots that Israel needs to offer the Palestinians, even as we continue to deal with Gaza via the stick.

1. Israel needs to start work on the safe passage between Gaza and the West Bank.

It’s a disgrace that we haven’t built it yet, 16 years after Oslo. There’s no security risk for Israel here: it would go through our territory, so we could police it and prevent smuggling through it without a problem.

There are plenty of simple ways to build this safe passage – a road or bridge with raised walls and a border control checkpoint at either end doesn’t take too much imagination.

Commentators in the West call Gaza an “open-air prison”. That may be demagogy, but there is something to it: I can’t imagine what it’s like to be confined to an area the size of Gaza.

If there’s ever going to be peace, Gazans are going to have to be able to spend the day in the West Bank visiting their families. We can build a secure way of enabling that with absolutely no risk to Israel. Why on earth should we not do that?

To those who fear that this would lead to Gazans smuggling themselves into Israel: well, we have a nearly-complete border called the security fence. If that stops ping West Bank terrorists getting into Israel, then it will also stop Gazan terrorists getting into Israel via the West Bank.

If we were to start work on a safe passage tomorrow, even as we bomb Gaza, it would truly send the message that our argument is with Hamas, not with the Palestinian people.

2. Israel needs to come to an agreement with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on borders. We can do this tomorrow as well.

Really, every kid in the street knows that the borders are going to end up being the pre-1967 lines with some minor adjustments and land swaps.

The arguments are over exactly where the territorial exchanges are going to be. Surely there is nothing like the prospect of the entire region going up in flames to focus the minds for an afternoon or two and get those border maps done? And no, dear reader, I am not being naïve: the real naïveté is thinking that peace is possible without that basic redrawing of borders.

3. Israel needs to make a gesture on the fate of Jerusalem. Yes, we all know deep down that in the end, whether we like it or not, we are going to have to share Jerusalem. East Jerusalem is a different country, and most Israelis never go there. It’s not ours. It’s not us. And that’s okay.

Borders in Jerusalem will be complicated – we should remember that at Camp David, Bill Clinton was said to have pored over precise maps of individual streets, roads, and alleyways – but one day, the state of Palestine will have East Jerusalem as its capital. Let’s make the magnanimous gesture and have a joint ceremony when we break ground on the Palestinian parliament together with Abbas.

We can do these three things without harming Israeli security one iota, and we can do these three things while we are justifiably seeking to destroy Hamas.

Right now, most Palestinians think that we don’t care about peace with them, and we are just out to kill them. I don’t blame them for thinking that. But we can still turn things around for our future. We can show Palestinians that we will not tolerate their attacks on us, but that at the same time, we are prepared to work with them if they show their willingness to live with us.

This is not a lily-livered lefty dream. I’m not saying put away the stick. I’m not saying don?t defend ourselves. I’m not saying tolerate missiles in Gaza. But unless we get those carrots out fast, the window of opportunity for peace is going to slam shut and collapse on us all.

ps
Alex Sinclair is a lecturer in Jewish Education at the Schechter Institute for Jewish Studies, Jerusalem, and an Adjunct Assistant Professor at the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, New York.

There will never be a way out of this conflict until we offer the Palestinians some carrots: hope and belief.
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A quanto pare non sono l’unico a pensarla così.

It seems they are not the only one who thinks so.

Do not worry you are the only !!

Caro marco tempesta,
provi un po’ a ragionare.
Le elezioni probabilmente sono sempre state un po manipolate, però Al Fath era al governo e di solito manipolano i governi, non le opposizioni. O no? [Beh…. naturalmente il Banana fa eccezione: con lui manipolano non i prefetti, com’è sempre stato, ma non si sa chi e quindi le opposizioni possono alterare le elezioni. Occhei, dico io…. sarebbe un caso unico al mondo ma perchè stupirsene]
Come avrà fatto mai Hamas a manipolare le elezioni non avendo un esercit0, una polizia ed una compagine burocratica di controllo? Mistero…. Avrei addirittura il sospetto che Hamas abbia avuto una maggioranza di gran lunga superiore a quella ufficiale….
Comunque Hamas vince le elezioni a Gaza a dovrebbe quindi governare la Striscia. Solo che Al Fath non molla il potere fino a che Hamas non prende il potere che le spettava buttando fuori quelli di Al Fath.
Subito dopo Issraele dichiara il blocco alla Striscia, al quale blocco Hamas reagisce con il lancio di razzi, che sono anche una rappresaglia per i continui omicidi mirati degli aSSassini issraeliani
Questi sono i fatti storici, mio caro. Quindi parlare del terrore dei poveri abitanti di Sderot è solo propaganda sionista. Non a caso sostenuta da Rodolfo, dall’impareggiabile Anita e da pochi altri gegni. U.

Gerusalemme, 14:23
GAZA: LIVNI, VITTIME CIVILI? SONO IN PACE CON ME STESSA

Respingendo tutte le critiche ricevute a livello internazionale per le vittime tra la popolazione civile della Striscia di Gaza, il ministro degli Esteri Tzipi Livni ha definito i morti “un frutto delle circostanze”, e ha difeso a spada tratta l’offensiva nella minuscola enclave. “Dovevamo effettuare quell’operazione”, ha tagliato corto la signora Livni, intervistata dalla radio pubblica del suo Paese. “Sono in pace con me stessa per il fatto che l’abbiamo lanciata”. Il capo della diplomazia dello Stato ebraico, leader del partito centrista Kadima e candidata a diventare primo ministro nelle elezioni anticipate del 10 febbraio prossimo, ha rinnovato le accuse ad Hamas, additandolo a responsabile unico della carneficina, oltre 1.300 le persone uccise e 5.300 i feriti secondo fonti mediche a Gaza, per aver scelto di combattere nei centri abitati. “Noi diamo la caccia ai terroristi”, ha tagliato corto, “e nella lotta al terrorismo puo’ succedere che a volte i civili rimangano colpiti. E’ una cosa da non prendere alla leggera”, ha comunque concesso Livni. “Si tratta di questioni che ci impongono un compito complesso e, per quanto riguarda le perdite tra i civili, sono conseguenze con cui dobbiamo fare i conti, tra noi stessi e nei rapporti con il mondo esterno”. Di analogo tenore le dichiarazioni rese da un portavoce della Fanteria israeliana, colonnello Ilan Malka: “Non c’e’ stato alcun ricorso eccessivo alla nostra potenza di fuoco”, ha puntualizzato l’ufficiale, nell’ambito di una delle rarissime conferenze stampa indette con i giornalisti, dopo averli tenuti ben lontano dal teatro delle attivita’ militari per oltre due settimane. “Io mai manderei una decina di soldati dentro a una casa che si sospetti sia minata, e dove essi potrebbero saltare in aria, prima di aver creato le condizioni per un loro ingresso all’interno. Se Hamas avesse voluto proteggere gli abitanti di Gaza”, ha concluso, “non avrebbe dovuto piazzare esplosivi in quella casa”.

x Uroburo

Ok, Benjamin Nethanyahu, si sara’ sbagliato sulle date o la stampa ha fatto un errore.
Io ho solo espresso come la pensano buona parte degli ebrei, e non solo in Israele.
Lei non da mai la fonte delle sue informazioni storiche, almeno io, giusto o sbagliato ne riporto la fonte.

Quote:
“Questi sono i fatti storici, mio caro. Quindi parlare del terrore dei poveri abitanti di Sderot è solo propaganda sionista. Non a caso sostenuta da Rodolfo, dall’impareggiabile Anita e da pochi altri gegni. U.”

Sara’ propaganda sionista, allora ci aggiunga anche l’impareggiabile neo Presidente Barack H. Obama e una buona maggioranza del Senato e del Congresso.

Quali saranno le ripercussioni certamente non lo so, come non so se ambe due le parti manterranno una tregua.

Anita

x Pietro Falco
Nel darti il mio benvenuto nel blog ti rivolgo una (atea) preghiera.

Io non conosco l’inglese, se è per una frase mi viene in aiuto il traduttore automatico che è però molto impreciso e su lunghi brani serve a ben poco. Quindi ti invito, quando posti dei lunghi brani in inglese di mettere una seppur brevissima sintesi, un sommario accenno al tema trattato.
Se lo fai te ne sarò grato.

Antonio - – – antonio.zaimbri@tiscali.i

ma vede U., noi parliamo e non ci capiamo.
Il mio primo interrogativo, quando Israele ha dato due giorni di tempo ad hamas per smettere col lancio di razzi, ed Hamas non ha smesso, è stato: perchè?
A questo interrogativo non sono ancora riuscito a darmi una risposta.
Altro interrogativo che per ora resta anch’esso senza risposta: a cosa è mai servito tanto sfoggio di forza contro Hamas, quando uno o due giorni di attacchi aerei sarebbero bastati a dare una solenne bastonata?
Lasciamo perdere i massimi sistemi e ragioniamo ‘alla femminile'; le risposte a queste domande possono essere due:
– Sono entrambi andati fuori di senno
– Ci sono motivi che noi non conosciamo.
Le analisi che ho letto, secondo le quali c’entrano le elezioni, la sconfitta in Libano, il desiderio di spingere i palestinesi ad andarsene e tutto ciò che abbiamo sentito dal giornalismo mondiale, possono esse confutate una per una e nessuna risposta riesce a soddisfare nessuna delle due domande.
Possiamo fare i faciloni e mettere tutto nel calderone del sionismo, nell’idea di continuare sul sentiero di Hertzl, ma a quanto stiamo vedendo, Israele sta sempre più chiudendosi in un imbuto, sta sempre più esponendosi alla riprovazione mondiale. Gli USA possono proteggere fino a un certo punto, ma non sono più la potenza di una volta, hanno problemi anche loro. Possibile che gli israeliani non ne tengano conto? I palestinesi sono diversi milioni, non sono venti o trentamila persone che le metti dove vuoi. Oltretutto non li vuole nessuno. Giocoforza daranno filo da torcere ad oltranza. Una mattanza di 1500 uomini, che già sembra uno sproposito, è solo l’uno per mille della popolazione di Gaza; cosa pensano di fare dell’altro novecentonovantanove per mille? E quelli della West Bank? E quelli che stanno in Libano? E quelli che stanno in Giordania? E quelli che stanno sparsi per il mondo? Pensate se ne restino tutti con le mani in mano?
Ecco perchè non mi sembra credibile l’idea di completare il lavoro del ’48 come lo intendeva Hertzl.
Torniamo ai conti alla femminile:
– è plausibile l’idea che dentro Hamas qualcuno si sia fatto i conti di quanto si possa intascare con i soldi della ricostruzione? Per ricostruire bisogna che qualcuno sfasci. Può essere un valido motivo da parte di Hamas per indurre gli israeliani ad intervenire.
– è plausibile l’idea che per prendere anche il comando della West Bank si creino i presupposti per screditare completamente Abu Mazen, ‘amico’ di Israele criminale? Questo è un altro valido motivo per far invadere Gaza e, più morti ci sono, meglio è.

Questo, da parte di Hamas, per dare una risposta alla prima domanda. Alla seconda domanda non ho risposte, ammenocchè Israele non cercasse qualcosa o qualcuno.

marcolino,quello che hai saputo TU?
E dove ,interrogando la “ballmagic” o rovistando come dici di saper fare ,dove ogni tanto Uroburo ti ricorda di andare?